Some questions about Johnny the Boy.

[dcampbell007]

1. What was he? Why was he in the gang in the first place? Obviously, Bubba didn't much prefer him. The other members of the gang basically ignored him with the exception of Toecutter. Like when Max forced Johnny's vehicle off the side of the road, the other bikers just ditched him (Toecutter wasn't present). Mudguts even gave some kind of a signal, as if to dismiss Johnny as some kind of chump. So, what exactly was Johnny's role or purpose in the gang?
2. Some people would seem to argue that Johnny wasn't entirely to blame for Goose's death. Just because he was reluctant to set the ute on fire with Goose inside. Well, what about when Johnny tampered with the brakes on Goose's bike? Or when he threw the drum at the ute? I call that attempted murder. Anyway, whether he wanted to kill Goose or not, Johnny was a major screw-up who probably couldn't distinguish right from wrong. Later in the film, he even went as far as to blame his own behavior on his psychosis.
3. In the scene where Toecutter and his gang harass Jesse just outside of the ice cream shop, there is just one thing I noticed. Johnny wasn't there. At least, I couldn't see him. However, there are several possibilities. Maybe it was he who was doing some legwork alongside the Toecutter while Mudguts and Starbuck (the guy with the beard) were spying on Jesse and Sprog. I say this because only two of the gang's core members wore beige pants. However, Johnny didn't wear boots. So, it must've been Diabando (the guy with the long blond hair) doing some legwork. Perhaps Johnny was working in the ice cream shop, only to have the gang harass her outside the shop. Maybe he was asleep.
4. Does it seem weird how only six bikers are seen riding after Jesse and Sprog get mowed down? When clearly seven bikers approach them just before the deed. I know it was Johnny who wasn't visible after the deed but maybe his view was obstructed by Mudguts (who was riding just behind him). Also, Cundalini wasn't among the seven bikers.
5. Did Johnny really deserve his fate in the end?

[zboy again]

I'd say Johnny was a nom and the toecutter was his sponser........

[Gasoline]

I always thought johnnie was the toecutter's skag.
The films have a theme of aggressive homosexuality which is more apparent in the second film, but there were discreet elements of it in the first film.
- Johhnie the boy is lead away by the toecutter during the beach scene as though they are about to be intimate.
(not to mention the toecutter inserting the barrel of the shotgun into johnnies mouth - phallic symbology anybody?
- The scene where the impala is set upon by the gang, both the male and female end up with no pants on suggesting they have been raped.

[toecutter]

Johnny the boy and Toecutter are clearly 'attached' in some way. It could be homo love, or perhaps he was a nom. If the nom fucks up, the sponsor carries the can.

Clearly though, theres some link between Johnny and. Look at the way Bubba Zanetti reacts when they have that chat on the road when Toecutter is in the ute with Nightriders coffin. Toecutter also intervenes personally following the beach shotgun incident. I dont think they are family, it would have been mentioned in the script.

The films reek of homo-eroticism, but also of male bonding that bike gangs, footy clubs, police and even CFA have - so its open to interpretation.

[dcampbell007]

Geez. What's wrong with you guys? Isn't there anyone on here who can answer a few simple questions? My questions centered on Johnny's role in the gang and the degree of his blame for Goose's death and also his absence in some notable scenes (i.e. Jesse's first encounter with the Toecutter gang). I also mentioned how Johnny wasn't visible after the gang wipes out Max's family, when clearly he was among seven bikers approaching Jesse just before the deed. Finally, I was wondering if he really deserved his gruesome, untimely demise. Instead, all I get is a lot of bullshit centering on the gang's latent homosexuality. You go on and on about the beach scene and gay references, but I never mentioned this scene once in my original post. You're not answering my questions. How about sticking with the topics?

[frank]

Is it that time of the month again?

[MFP 2020]

Wow, dcampbell. Way to make new friends. You must be a lot of fun at parties. Considering that 99% of us didn't work on the movie, maybe you're asking the wrong people.

That said, I've always wondered what Bubba meant by "He's nothing like the Nightrider." As if Toecutter is looking for a replacement--either for a spot in the gang or in Toecutter's heart.

[Gasoline]

And I forgot the scene where toecutter dismounts in Clunes and removes his helmet as he walks along. Johnnie the boy is seen grooming his hair for him like a besotted new bride.

And another thing dcampbell007, you post a question asking for opinions regarding johnnies role on a public forum. It then gets answered by a few people but you then get antsy regarding the answers. If your posing a question, be prepared for what people will respond with.
Its basic forum etiquette.
And you might want to watch the film again. Miller and Kennedy put those elements into the film to be confrontational, which was the intention of the film.

[aussie muscle]

i always thought johnny was nothing like the night rider. i don't think he was really pychotic like the others, just a rich kid playing 'bad-boy'. yes he deserved his death, they all did.

[toecutter]

dcampbell

go fuck yourself