Immortan Joe / Toecutter - One And The Same??

[scfc68]

I just wondered how people have considered this??

It seems this movie possibly appears to be a reboot from MM1 onwards, with basically 2 x timelines effective from the end of MM1, either the original sequels or Fury Road, and Tom Hardy's Max IS the same as Gibson's as in MM1. This fits the statement that the film is set in between MM1 & MM2 (of sorts).

Is it therefore possible that Toecutter and Immortan Joe are not just played by the same actor but are indeed the same character??
I don't recall seeing TC's head come off or anything like that??It's not certain he died?? Now IJ looks to be pretty well mangled under the mask, as in maybe survived a serious accident?? If the film is a PARTIAL reboot and MM1 stands as canon, is this a twist under Miller's sleeve?

This makes me wonder, could we then get an opening montage that uses (possibly altered) footage from MM1 to set FR up??

I might be wrong but I am strongly getting this feeling - this also begs a question as to how many years have passed since MM1.

I'd LOVE to hear thoughts

[lord humungus]

Highly doubtful. it's like saying that the gyro captin and jebadiah are one in the same. even to this day people continue to insist that there is a connection even when bruce spence himself has said they are completely different characters.

look at his chest full of metals. this would suggest that that he was a military man,probably during the last great war. plus his injuries are highly inconsistant with those you'd seastain from a head on collusion with a big rig. outside of the actor playing him nothing really says "toe cutter " to me.

[Taipan]

It might seem like there is a connection between Fury Road and the original trilogy, but without spoiling too much I'll just say that the opening montage doesn't exactly match the events in Mad Max either.
So it's a complete reboot/reimagining with the original movies as the foundation. There is no direct connection between characters either.

[scfc68]

It's a shame that; I think it would have been pretty cool. I understand the reboot but at the same time I am apprehensive. The film might be great technically but will it be too different from its predecessors, hmmmm. I haven't seen any villains so far that are even remotely close to Wez, Humungus, The Mohawkers, GB Berserkers etc in sheer ''coolness'', I've just seen a few skinheads with corpsepaint so far. I'm just not feeling it at all, nothing screams the MM world to me as yet. I'm just seeing something more like Terminator Salvation.
Nothing I see of Hardy bar a few costume things bears any relation to a character I kind of grew up with. Is he even an ex cop in this?
This probably seems really negative but imagine if Disney had decided to reboot the Star Wars franchise; it would be a disaster.

I hate to be negative and am desperate for a teaser trailer to wipe the floor with me, but I can't believe I'm alone with a sense of trepidation

[otherunicorn]

I think MM2 was a freak production - something that somehow came out better than the parts it was made from. MM1 was weak by comparison (note - BY COMPARISON - even if it stands up on its own, MM2 overshadowed it). MM3 has be canned by viewers for as long as I can remember. I feel it is unreasonable to expect anything to be as good as MM2. People simply don't have the skill to pull it off. It takes freak luck to do that.

[boomerang]

I certainly hope that Joe/Toecutter aren't the same. I'm really sick of that sort of comic book/soap opera stuff that's everywhere these days.

[TheDarkOne#1]

Highly doubtful. it's like saying that the gyro captin and jebadiah are one in the same. even to this day people continue to insist that there is a connection even when bruce spence himself has said they are completely different characters.

Yup, seen this being discussed a few times over the years on different forums. Jebadiah and Max never share a moment of recognition.

I think MM2 was a freak production - something that somehow came out better than the parts it was made from. MM1 was weak by comparison (note - BY COMPARISON - even if it stands up on its own, MM2 overshadowed it). MM3 has be canned by viewers for as long as I can remember. I feel it is unreasonable to expect anything to be as good as MM2. People simply don't have the skill to pull it off. It takes freak luck to do that.

This is not a dig at you but something i need to say. I've seen the above comment alot when i find MM related discussions or MM videos on youtube. Everyone seems to agree that MM2 is the best and some even go as far as saying that the other movies are total crap. Which is something i can't understand. MM1 was a low budget movie so comparing it to a multi-million dollar movie and saying it's crap is so wrong. MM1 gave us a great backstory as to who max was and why max became the way he was in MM2. The first movie is just as important as MM2 in my opinion.

[themanw/oaname]

This is not a dig at you but something i need to say. I've seen the above comment alot when i find MM related discussions or MM videos on youtube. Everyone seems to agree that MM2 is the best and some even go as far as saying that the other movies are total crap. Which is something i can't understand. MM1 was a low budget movie so comparing it to a multi-million dollar movie and saying it's crap is so wrong. MM1 gave us a great backstory as to who max was and why max became the way he was in MM2. The first movie is just as important as MM2 in my opinion.

i agree. mm2 is fun, but mm1 sets everything up. otherwise you just have some dude in a desert driving a car around really fast.

and to say the series is all about the car chases is insulting to everything else the movie is really about.

[pauli77]

Firstly, and I know it's getting off topic, but Mad Max 2 is only superior as an action film. I don't feel the world of Road Warrior is as interesting or as well thought out. To create a sense of the world on the brink of total anarchy has never been rendered as well as in that first film; it is our world - albeit an older one to my youth - but on the edge and breaking down. It's far more frightening, isolating and thought provoking. In many ways, it is a horror film - a kind of horror-revenge that was popular in the 70s but made with the craft of something like Texas Chainsaw Massacre. It's a genuinely important film that is superior in certain aspects, though I admit it is inferior as an action film - and possibly as an enjoyable movie.

Secondaly, I really don't think Toe-Cutter and Joe are the same character, for many of the reasons already stated. I'm actually worried that he will be a slight rehash of Humungus, possibly even that character rebranded, if the setup intro doesn't include a reference to Humungus. I really think Miller is distancing himself - perhaps unintentionaly- from the original films. A refernece like Toe-Cutter would really only be for fans familiar with the originals. I really don't think fans of the originals are who this new film is aimed at and that isn't a criticism necessarily.

[roadwarriormfp]

So someone is hit head on and run over by 24 wheels of a 20ton semi-trailer and you expect the character to live onto the next movie ( its only a flesh wound )....

Next is the compareson of MM1 to MM2.
And its been made plenty of times before and quite a few people forget totally the context in which they were made.

MM1 is Byrons and Georges FIRST MOVIE. Which they scrounged for money, almost went broke making it and used FIRST TIME actors... pretty clear isnt it?
MM2 was a fully funded movie made by people a lot more experience under their belts.
The theme of the movie continued on and that was Max's story.

MM1 the world had almost fallen apart socially/politically due to the oil crisis.
Maxs life then fell apart.

MM2 the oil war HAD taken place, there is bugger all left of society. Maxs character had been in the wastelands for a few yrs.

Yes you cant compare the two films in the context that they arent the same because this is an evolving story of Max. (not to mention the film makers/ story writers)
They do how ever follow a time line and you see Maxs world crumble and his persona change.